Saturn Sky Roadster - ab 2006

[creative]

mit dem neuen mx5 ist mir wieder der 'saturn sky' eingefallen. ;)

der roadster soll bei uns als 'opel gt' angeboten werden und wahrscheinlich den 'opel speedster' ersetzen.

optisch sieht der roadster nicht mal schlecht aus..?

ab 170 ps mit 2,4 l motor soll es losgehen, allerdings -- wohl ausschliesslich nur 4-zylinder. :/

meinungen? :)

mehr ...

[BjörnZ3]

Erst wenn der letzte Vierzylinder verraucht ist, werdet Ihr merken, dass man mit Sechszylindern nicht heizen kann!

[Moista]

Zitat von BjörnZ3

Erst wenn der letzte Vierzylinder verraucht ist, werdet Ihr merken, dass man mit Sechszylindern nicht heizen kann!

...den muß ich mir merken!

[tevion]

2006 kommt der Solstice von Pontiac. Angekündigt bei http://www.pontiac.com

Mehr Bilder unter: http://www.jaypontiac.com/pontiac/2006%20SOLSTICE.htm

Hier nen Bericht drüber:

Preview

What Edmunds.com Says: Easily one of the most anticipated new production cars from GM, the Solstice looks as though it will have all the style and the performance promised by the concept.

First Drive: 2006 Pontiac Solstice
Here Comes the Sun

By Neil Dunlop
Date posted: 07-15-2004

It's good to be the first at something, especially when it involves driving. That's why we were proud to be one of the first publications to drive the Pontiac Solstice. And it wasn't some cobbled-together prototype — it was the hand-built production model that Pontiac displayed at the 2004 Detroit Auto Show.

We were prepared for deflation, though. So often, highly anticipated concept vehicles disappoint when fantasy makes the conversion to reality. Not so with the Solstice, at least not so far. While we were limited to sub-25-mph speeds, Pontiac's little beauty still managed to raise our heartbeats both in terms of how it integrated us into the driving experience and in the stirring curves of its sheet metal.

So, with everything going our way, it was hard to suppress our grins as we guided the Solstice along a deserted road on a sunny June day in Auburn Hills north of Detroit. Thick grass swayed at the roadside, tree trunks and fence posts flicked past and the breeze rushing by our heads smelled of freshly mown grass. It was a good day to be alive and behind the wheel of the most anticipated new vehicle to come from Pontiac in a long time.

One of the major ways a production version of a great concept can disappoint is design. The purpose of a concept is to wow auto show crowds and, often, many of the (usually expensive) wow factors, such as big alloy wheels and dramatic sheet metal sculpting, never make it past the bean counters. The Solstice we drove, however, is a dead ringer for the model shown as a concept at the 2002 Detroit Auto Show. And we were told by Pontiac spokesman Jim Hopson that, save a few minor details, we were looking at what would appear in showrooms late in the summer of 2005. That's good news because the Solstice is stirring to behold. Wide and low, it has presence on the asphalt. It seems solid, muscular and fast, an impression created by its bulging fenders, a beltline that sweeps from the high, round back end to its broad, hungry-looking nose and the large 18-inch alloys set close to the ers. It is no cutesy roadster.

It's got a sensual side, too. The Solstice is the first General Motors vehicle to use hydroformed body panels. Hydroforming has been used to create the frames of GM's full-size pickups since 1999 and the frames of C5 Corvettes since the mid-'90s, but never for body components. Much like it sounds, hydroforming is the process of using fluid to shape metal. It allows for more extreme shapes than stamping and produces strong parts of uniform thickness. "It's slower than stamping," said Mr. Hopson, "but it does allow us to get those gorgeous curves."

The Solstice's most distinctive curves are the sensuous sweep of the hood from the windshield to the bottom of the front bumper, and the elegant teardrop-shaped aeroshells that extend from behind the headrests and blend seamlessly into the deck. The deck opens clamshell-style to conceal the soft top when it's dropped. Good thing because it would be criminal to cover those aeroshells with folded fabric.

Like a roadster should, the Solstice elicits a visceral response as you walk up to it. You want to drive it. When we climbed in and settled into the driver seat, the heavy door shut behind us with a satisfying clunk, reinforcing the car's sense of solidity. The cabin is surprisingly roomy. There's plenty of foot room and the steering wheel cleared our knees and thighs by a wide margin. The seat strikes a nice balance between support and comfort. Decent-sized bolsters hugged our sides but didn't feel constricting, and there was plenty of cushioned support for our back, shoulders and thighs. Our right arm draped naturally onto the center console with the stubby shifter falling right under our hand. The uncluttered dash curves around the driver seat, making it easy to see the chrome-rimmed, white-faced speedo and tach.

It's obvious that ergonomics were a serious design consideration for the Solstice. Unlike some other roadsters, we didn't feel shoehorned into a tight spot for the privilege of ragtop motoring. The only complaint we'd make is that many interior surfaces, such as the cowl in front of the passenger, are too hard. We'd prefer softer, more tactilely pleasing material.

The seating position is just about ideal. It's high enough to provide a good sense of all four ers, and decent-sized side mirrors create good sightlines. It's also low enough, and the door sills tall enough, to make us feel close to the asphalt and in a sporting frame of mind.

The five-speed shifter snicked firmly into first gear. Pontiac sourced the manual gearbox from the same company that supplies the six-speed shifter for the Honda S2000. With lots of foot room, the pedals are easy to find and well placed for heel-and-toe operation. Pedal feel is good with our muscular output matched by the mechanical response, making us feel part of the car. Unfortunately, the tranny of our test car was not in production tune and it felt like we were pulling away in second gear.

Another aspect not present on our test car was the final exhaust note. Our tester's engine sounded shaky and timorous. We were assured, however, that engineers worked more than a year to achieve the proper exhaust tone, which is said to reflect both the Solstice's sporty nature and its alluring sheet metal.

The Solstice we drove was not a track-ready car so our speeds were limited, but we were assured that all the correct production mechanical components were present. Regardless of how fast we were going, we were able to get a sense of what the production model will feel like for basic cruising. Shredding twisting country roads will have to wait, but our preliminary experience suggests it will be worth the wait.

The shifter felt good moving through the gears, with short throws to distinct engagements. The fairly fat steering wheel also felt good in our hands and is firmly connected to the rack-and-pinion steering system. Only rigorous driving would confirm this, but we suspect the Solstice's four-wheel independent suspension, forged aluminum control arms, monotube shocks, coil springs and 18-inch wheels and tires will combine to provide excellent handling response and much driving pleasure. And the standard four-wheel disc brakes should bring it down from speed quickly in a controlled manner.

While the roadster's heft makes it seem solid and planted, it also gave it a somewhat lumbering feel to it as we took lazy, sweeping turns. At 2,860 pounds, the Solstice is no lightweight. Pontiac claims the new 170-horsepower, 2.4-liter variable-valve version of the Ecotec DOHC four-cylinder engine is enough to move it from zero to 60 mph in just over seven seconds. Once again, only dynamic testing will tell for sure. (We know, it's a heck of a job, but someone's got to do it.) And, said Hopson, the Ecotec engine could easily be supercharged or turbocharged in the future. Now you're talking.

Even naturally aspirated, Pontiac's 0-60 time for the Solstice is just about a half-second more than it takes the Mazdaspeed Miata, which we see as the Solstice's closest competitor. Indeed, the cars are similar in purpose, performance, practicality and price. Both are uncomplicated ragtops created for the express purpose of topless motoring joy. Both use four-cylinder engines to generate near equal power (though with the aid of a turbocharger, the Mazda manages to extract its 178 hp from a much smaller 1.8-liter mill). Neither has much to offer in terms of cargo space or storage: The Miata's diminutive trunk offers 5.1 cubic feet of capacity, while the Solstice provides 4.0 cubic feet with the top up and only 2.0 measly cubic feet when it's dropped — that amounts to a small gym bag, so pack lightly. And, most importantly, both are attractively priced.

The Solstice may have the edge in price. A Mazdaspeed Miata runs about $26,000, but Pontiac says even a loaded Solstice will come out under $25K. In fact, when the production Solstice was unveiled at the 2004 Detroit Auto Show, GM Chairman of North American Operations Bob Lutz promised it would cost less than $20,000. Many predicted that would be impossible.

They were wrong. "We're going to offer a model of this car for under $20,000," Hopson said. "That's a line in the sand." He assured us the base model would retail at $19,995 when the Solstice arrives in showrooms next year. The base version is not some bare-bones version, either, he said, but includes the aforementioned 18-inch alloys, four-wheel disc brakes and the aluminum sport suspension. Options are few, including just leather upholstery, an upgraded audio system, different wheel finishes and limited-slip differential. An automatic transmission will also be available sometime after launch, but choosing that is like wearing a snow suit in the Caribbean — you're missing the point.

Pontiac hopes to sell between 20,000 and 30,000 units of the roadster annually. If the Solstice lives up to its potential, they will all be gone in the first few months.

[tevion]

Achja, es ist gut möglich das der Saturn Sky, der Pontiac Solstice und der Opel Speedster Nachfolger auf der gleich Plattform basieren. Saturn, Pontiac und Opel sind, wie einige vielleicht wissen, unter dem Mutterkonzern General Motors "vereint". Zu sehen unter www.gm.com

[CUXZ4]

...meine Ex-Freundin (jetzt ) hatte 2 Opel, den ersten und den letzten; ich hatte auch 2, den ersten und den letzten...

[Uwe]

Zitat von tevion

While the roadster's heft makes it seem solid and planted, it also gave it a somewhat lumbering feel to it as we took lazy, sweeping turns. At 2,860 pounds, the Solstice is no lightweight. Pontiac claims the new 170-horsepower, 2.4-liter variable-valve version of the Ecotec DOHC four-cylinder engine is enough to move it from zero to 60 mph in just over seven seconds. Once again, only dynamic testing will tell for sure.

Schade dass er so schwer werden wird.... der Ur-Speedster auf Lotus-Alu-Frame hatte da absolut die Nase vorn. Aber naja, das puristische Klacken der Gänge mit dem maschinengewehr-artig trommelndem Rollsplitt auf den ungedämpften Speedster-Unterboden hat wohl einfach nicht den Käufergeschmack getroffen. Mich hat das weniger gestört... was mich vom Kauf abgehalten hat war vielmehr der grässliche, wie eine Nähmaschine klingenden 2,2 Ecotec Motor im Heck. Null Sounddesign, null! ...eine üble Nummer. Wirklich schade für den Speedster, das Auto hatte Potential und endlich mal rennstreckentaugliche Bremsen ab Werk - was sonst eigentlich nur Porsche und die Exoten zu bieten haben.

[Jenzzz]

Zitat von CUXZ4

...meine Ex-Freundin (jetzt ) hatte 2 Opel, den ersten und den letzten; ich hatte auch 2, den ersten und den letzten...

Is mir auch so gegangen! (Kadett E Cabrio) Das einzig gute
an dem Teil waren die Recaro Sitze.

[futuro04]

Der VW Roadster würde mich mehr interessieren, zumal der
besser motorisiert sein soll und nach meiner Meinung besser
aussieht.

Ausserdem könnte sich auch BMW mal wieder zur Roadster-
Zukunft vernehmen lassen, statt nur mit fragwürdigen Light-
Versionen des Z4 zu langweilen. Wer will denn sowas kaufen?

Also wo bleiben die Bilder des Facelift, wann gibts die nächste
BMW Roadster Studie? Dass der Z4 nicht der grosse kultige
Bringer ist, sollte man doch auch in München mittlerweile
gerafft haben (Auch in der Schweiz läuft der Verkauf schlecht!)

Na vielleicht weiss ja jemand mehr...

Cheers
Tom

[nixnuz]

Zitat von tevion

[...]the Solstice is no lightweight. [...]

Schade. Der Opel Speedster hatte genau das richtige Konzept. Leichte Platform und sportlicher 4-Zylinder, super Gewichtsverteilung, einfach klasse! Wäre für mich auch eine echte Alternative zum Zetti!

Bei dem Neuen sieht man sofort wer hier das sagen hatte: Die lieben Ökonomen namlich: Dusselige schwerer Karosse; 2,4L Hub in 4 Zylindern

Schwache Leistung, setzen, 6!

Nixnuz!

[Uwe]

Zitat von nixnuz

...sportlicher 4-Zylinder...

Naja, der Motor in "meinem" Speedster (Vorführwagen) hatte irgendwie unten nix, oben nix und dazwischen irgendetwas... ein "ecotec" Motor eben, kein 4 Zylinder Sportmotor à la S?? in den seligen E30 M3. Mit einem ordentlichen Motor hättest Du mich nie mehr aus dem Speedster rausbekommen, der ging ja schon mit dem Zafira-Aggregat wie die Hölle! Das gleiche gilt übrigens in abgeschwächter Form für die Elise. An die hat mein Popometer in den ersten Kurven bereits sein Herz verloren, mein Kopf hat sich aber beim Gedanken an den antiqierten (wenn auch leichtfüssigen) Rover K-Series im Heck nicht anfreunden können. Ebensowenig wie mein Gehör
Das ganze gilt übrgens mit umgedrehten Vorzeichen für den Porsche 993... die Kiste ist vom Fahrfeeling eigentlich recht unspektakulär (zumindest im Serientrimm, anderes kenne ich nicht), der Soundfaktor dagegen ist eine andere Dimension, ein einziges Erlebnis von Zwerch- und Trommelfell. Suchtpotential garantiert.