Customer Relations Service in North America

RolfDieter

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Some of you remember me I'm sure I'm the fellow you pushed out from this forum since I posted one too many threads about my cracked rear wheels.

Anyway, the final Hammer came down and I like to share with a few here that have shown interest in my story the final outcome of it all.

I will keep it in English since I know you all know the language perfectly.

So here it is as you say "Ein Kunde der bei BMW in North America über den Tisch gezogen wurde"

Ich wundere mich ob es so etwas auch in Deutschland gibt?

Here you can read about the complete story

Here you can read what my fellow forum members think about this issue

PS. I hope some one from the German BMW AG reads all about it.
 
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Welcome back, Rolf-Dieter !

Due to the weather conditions in NA and CAN I thought you´ve been stranded with your snowmobile and survived the blizzard inside an igloo with a friendly female eskimo and tons of pemmikan.

And the Merc in your garage, so close to the Z4, seems to be a pain in the ass for BMW (Hope so).

Greetings from Germany to the other side of the pond.

nafob
 
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PS. I hope some one from the German BMW AG reads all about it.

If your concern is that someone from BMW AG reads all about your issue - what about sending this as a mail to BMW - instead of boring with your individual issue spam mails all people here over and over again?
 
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Hi Rolf-Dieter,

I think you already did the only thing that can be done: don´t buy another BMW any more. Sad enough, the
same can be found here in Austria. While making beautiful cars, BMW do not value their customers. So, as I
will exchange my 2nd car in the next few months, I will be happy to go for a different brand.

cheers
Martin
 
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If your concern is that someone from BMW AG reads all about your issue - what about sending this as a mail to BMW - instead of boring with your individual issue spam mails all people here over and over again?

I think you have not read the entire story, otherwise you would not make such a statement. :b q: :P
 
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Please please please not again !!!
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Gangy

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Am 24-10-2010 hast Du Dieses Zitat bei mir hinterlassen .....

Ich fand den Beitrag sehr hilfreich, RolfDieter, - natürlich fand ich manche Passage auch ´amüsant´, - aber du hättest deine Beiträge nicht löschen brauchen, schließlich wären sie ja auch für neue User sehr informativ!

Gruß
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Aus Gründen wie diesem hab ich alles zusammen gefast damit mann es nicht falsch versteht. Jedoch es scheint mir so als für jemanden wie Dir so-etwas nutzlos ist,
 
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Welcome back, Rolf-Dieter !

Due to the weather conditions in NA and CAN I thought you´ve been stranded with your snowmobile and survived the blizzard inside an igloo with a friendly female eskimo and tons of pemmikan.

And the Merc in your garage, so close to the Z4, seems to be a pain in the ass for BMW (Hope so).

Greetings from Germany to the other side of the pond.

nafob

Thanks nafob,

The MB and the Z4 are getting along quite well :) It was to be a x3, however BMW lost out for obvious reasons.

Hope you all recovered from the snow your way :) we had our share this year so far. It is good to have a well build car with the best 4MATIC drive system in the world to make our way thru the snow. :)
 
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Rolf-Dieter,
thanks for sharing this with us, although it is a sad story with a disappointing ending.

All the best
Jan
 
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Rof-Dieter,
how often do you have started a new thread here with the same story? :kniefall

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Rof-Dieter,
how often do you have started a new thread here with the same story? :kniefall

corn

As often as I like how you like them beans? Who appointed you the leader of this outfit? Can you not comprehend that this is the complete account from A to Z and all I am trying to do is help people like you not to run into the same faith? What is so bad about that I ask you?

BTW my name is Rolf-Dieter

Hope you enjoy your (POPCORN) :)

Sorry for the capitals, however, I did not want the pot to appear again, after all I don't want to be responsible for your heart attack considering your high age and all.

NB. Auf Deine Knie brauchst Du nicht für mich den Du mit Deinen 100 Jahren bist ja schließlich 27 Jahre älter als ich. :d

If you don't know how to find my homepage let me know and I be glad to help you old man :)
 
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Rolf-Dieter,
thanks for sharing this with us, although it is a sad story with a disappointing ending.

All the best
Jan

Thank you Brummm,

My pleasure. I added a Page 9 What can we do / Recommendations to my web page / Homepage if it helps someone out it has served it's purpose. I think that is after all the purpose of this forum.
 
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Vielen Dank an Rolf-Dieter für die Empfehlungs-Site. Mein Kollege ist gerade erst mit neuen Winterreifen auf seinem Dienst-BMW in Heidelberg in eine Schlaglochgruppe gefahren. Danach war 1 Reifen platt sowie 3 Felgen zerstört. Da es die Felgen nicht mehr gab, musste er einen kompletten Rad- und Felgensatz aufziehen lassen. Irgendwie kann ich BMW verstehen, dass sie da kein Fass aufmachen wollen, wenn sie sich mal kulant zeigen. Kaum ein Kunde wird m.E. den Nachweis führen können, dass es sich bei den Rissen um einen Materialfehler handelt und nicht um "Überbelastung".
 
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Vielen Dank an Rolf-Dieter für die Empfehlungs-Site. Mein Kollege ist gerade erst mit neuen Winterreifen auf seinem Dienst-BMW in Heidelberg in eine Schlaglochgruppe gefahren. Danach war 1 Reifen platt sowie 3 Felgen zerstört. Da es die Felgen nicht mehr gab, musste er einen kompletten Rad- und Felgensatz aufziehen lassen. Irgendwie kann ich BMW verstehen, dass sie da kein Fass aufmachen wollen, wenn sie sich mal kulant zeigen. Kaum ein Kunde wird m.E. den Nachweis führen können, dass es sich bei den Rissen um einen Materialfehler handelt und nicht um "Überbelastung".

Das Problem mit den gecrackten 19 Zöllern in Verbindung mit Runflats ging in GB nach dem Winter 2009/10 durch die (Motor) Presse und div. Sendungen im TV.

Weder in der Spottauto noch der inoffiziellen ADAC Postille ams wird über das Thema geschrieben, könnte vielleicht zu sinkenden Werbeeinnahmen führen.

Somit ist es für die Hersteller einfach, die Schäden zu individualisieren, ähnlich dem Vorgehen mancher Werkstätten beim Thema "Wasser im Kofferraum".

nafob
 
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Rolf-Dieter, thank you for the link to the story!

I think what some people want to say is that it would be more convenient for the readers to have 1-2 threads about that topic, where they can find all necessary information bundled up. Now the situation is that the topic is split to several threads that are even more disrupted by you deleting your posts. Even if some people motivated you to do that, it was still your own decision (I would have kept the posts if I were you).
And the running gag with AirKlaus being "100" years old, na well, getting old itself ;).

All the best,
Michael
 
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Rolf-Dieter, thank you for the link to the story!

I think what some people want to say is that it would be more convenient for the readers to have 1-2 threads about that topic, where they can find all necessary information bundled up. Now the situation is that the topic is split to several threads that are even more disrupted by you deleting your posts. Even if some people motivated you to do that, it was still your own decision (I would have kept the posts if I were you).
And the running gag with AirKlaus being "100" years old, na well, getting old itself ;).

All the best,
Michael

Hi Michael,

Thank you for your post. It is for the reason that I did start perhaps (what some people found) too many posts that I finalized the story in the "homepage" I prepared on this topic. The earlier posts/threads (too many as some found) was primarily due to my inexperience and unfamiliarity of this forum, my bad and I do apologize.

I hope that the complete story (that I now made available) will help someone to avoid the same faith, perhaps even safe his or her life. I still consider this a safety issue and that is why I feel so strongly about it.

I wonder if I can get the view of all you learned Z drivers in Germany on the following points;

1) Does it happen in Germany that BMW Dealerships do NOT have a tire machine to carry out the delicate task of removing and mounting tires to expensive alloy wheels and ask there Customers to go to a sub-vendor like a local tire shop?

2) I would also be interested in reading opinions of forum members here whether or not such subvendors are covered by BMW's insurance policies in the case of loss or damage to vehicles on which they are working for BMW, or whether the costs associated with damage caused by them is routinely, and quietly, passed on to customers.

and

3) If it should happen to you, let us say you are in Spain or Italy for example (that a tire shop damages your wheel and then your BMW dealer at home makes a ruling that the wheel is bend and does not pass the BMW out off round tolerance of 3 mm (TIR - Total Indicator Reading). How would you feel about it?

The force applied to the wheel using two tire irons to remove the RFT, in my professional opinion as a retired engineer, was enough to bend any alloy wheel to the point that it could not pass the BMW tolerance test of 3 mm (0.012").

Is the service quality at some BMW dealerships going down hill? Should BMW headquarters in Germany do something about it?

I've said enough I think and leave it to someone else (that may have had similar bad/poor service experience) to start a new thread. I don't dare to start a new thread here to inquire about items 1 to 3 I've mentioned above. I fear if I do I would just be bullied again like I was last year.

As for AirKlaus; let me just say, it must be my tough German upbringing that I don't take things laying down :)

Have a nice Day!

Rolf-Dieter
 
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If your concern is that someone from BMW AG reads all about your issue - what about sending this as a mail to BMW - instead of boring with your individual issue spam mails all people here over and over again?

Hast Du eine Adresse für mich? Das wäre ja Klasse wenn jemand zurück schreiben würde :d
 
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Das Problem mit den gecrackten 19 Zöllern in Verbindung mit Runflats ging in GB nach dem Winter 2009/10 durch die (Motor) Presse und div. Sendungen im TV.

Weder in der Spottauto noch der inoffiziellen ADAC Postille ams wird über das Thema geschrieben, könnte vielleicht zu sinkenden Werbeeinnahmen führen.

Somit ist es für die Hersteller einfach, die Schäden zu individualisieren, ähnlich dem Vorgehen mancher Werkstätten beim Thema "Wasser im Kofferraum".

nafob

nafob

Ich glaube bei BMW sind Die Herren alle zu beschäftigt mit neuen Erfindungen / Verbesserungen um Ihren Kunden bessere Felgen und Reifen anzubieten.

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